Security deposit withholding issues are the second most litigated area in landlord tenant law after evictions. If a landlord makes improper deduction from a tenant’s security deposit, pursuant to ATCP 134 and §100.20, Wis. Stats., the tenant may sue the landlord for double damages and attorney’s fees. There are numerous published Court of Appeals decisions in Wisconsin dealing with this exact issue. I would like to offer a few suggestions to landlords which will hopefully keep you from making any improper security deposit deductions.
First, we need to address some basics . . .
A security deposit is defined as “any payment that is given to a landlord as security for the performance of the tenants obligations under the rental agreement.” ATCP 134.01(11).
ATCP 134.06(2), states that “within 21 days after a tenant surrenders the rental property, the landlord shall deliver or mail to the tenant the full amount of any security deposit held by the landlord, less any amounts properly withheld by the landlord.”
If you would like to know what a landlord may legally deduct from a tenant’s security deposit you will want to read my Jan. 17th post.
ATCP 134.06(4), states “If any portion of a security deposit is withheld by the landlord, the landlord shall, within the time period and manner prescribed in sub.(2) – 21 days — deliver or mail to the tenant a written statement accounting for all amounts withheld. The statement shall describe each item of physical damages or other claim made against the security deposit, and the amount withheld as reasonable compensation for each item or claim.”
I will refer to this written statement interchangeably as either the “security deposit transmittal letter” or the “21-day letter.”
According to ATCP 134 all prepaid rent in excess of one month is legally considered to be a security deposit. So if you require a new tenant to pay first and last months rent plus a security deposit, legally the security deposit will also include the last month’s rent
Essentially a landlord must either return a tenant’s security deposit or send the tenant an itemization of how the tenant’s security deposit was applied within 21 days after the tenant surrenders the premises. This is mandatory. No matter what the situation – even if you are legally entitled to keep all of the tenant’s security deposit – you must still send the tenant a letter explaining to them why you can legally keep it and how it was applied. There is no situation in which you should not be sending the 21-day letter to a vacating residential tenant in Wisconsin. Even if common sense tells you it is not necessary (i.e. the tenant told me to use his/her security deposit to pay for the last month’s rent) you should still send out the letter. If you are wrong the ramification may be expensive. Be safe – send the letter each and every time.
As I mentioned in a previous post about what a landlord can legally deduct from a tenant’s security deposit, ATCP 134.06(3) states that you can only deduct the following from a tenant’s security deposit: (1) damage, waste, neglect, (2) unpaid rent, (3) utility costs, (4) any other items properly identified in a document called Nonstandard Rental Provisions (NSRP).
Note: There are two additional items listed in ATCP 134.06(3) which may be deducted from a tenant’s security deposit but they are not very common so to keep things simple I have not chosen not to mention them in this post.
So if you are not using a NSRP then legally you may only withhold for rent, utilities, and damage or waste or neglect. That is it. Nothing more. If you would like to be able to legally deduct other things from a tenant’s security deposit such as late fees, insufficient funds fees, actual costs charged by a municipality that the landlord had to pay resulting from the tenant’s failure to cut the grass or properly dispose of recyclables etc. — then you must have those deduction listed in your NSRP and signed or initialed by the tenant.
Many landlords get into trouble because they wait until the last day to send out the letter. You only have 21 days from the date that they tenant “surrenders” the unit.
ATCP 134.06(2)(b) defines “surrender” as follows:
a. The last day of the tenancy provided under the rental agreement.
b. If tenant vacates before the last day of the tenancy and gives landlord written notice that they have vacated, then surrender occurs when the landlord receives the written notice.
c. If tenant vacates after the last day of the tenancy, then surrender occurs when the landlord learns that the tenant has vacated.
d. If tenant is evicted, surrender occurs when the writ is executed by the Sheriff or when the landlord learns that the tenant has vacated, whichever occurs first.
If that sounds a bit confusing to you that is because it is confusing! So the key is to not wait until the 21st day to send out the letter. Send it out as soon as you can. Don’t wait until the 21st day to mail it to the tenant because there is always a chance that there will be a dispute as to what day the tenant “surrendered the property.”
A client of mine was once sued for failing to return a tenant’s security deposit within the required time period. The tenant allegedly dropped off the keys in the rental office drop box on a Sunday before the Memorial Day holiday. The office was closed on Monday because of the holiday so my client didn’t learn that the keys were returned until she came into the office and noticed them on Tuesday following the holiday. My client considered the date of surrender to be on Tuesday. My client mailed the tenant’s entire security deposit to them on the 21st day from that Tuesday.
The tenant sued my client arguing that the 21-day letter and the enclosed return of the security deposit was sent on the 23rd day rather then the 21st day after surrender. The tenant argued that the date of surrender was on the Sunday when the keys were dropped off rather then on the Tuesday when my client discovered them. The court commissioner handling the case agreed with the tenant. My client had returned the tenant’s entire security deposit to him but nonetheless was still ordered to pay double damages and a reasonable attorney fee.
While I disagree with the decision of the court commissioner (based on the definition of “surrender” and for equitable reasons – the tenant got the entire deposit back) that is not the point. The point is that my client should never have waited so long to return the security deposit to the tenant. Since my client was returning the entire security deposit to the tenant there was no need to obtain estimates for damage to the unit or have repair work completed. They could have easily mailed it back 2 days earlier, or 5 days earlier, or 2 weeks earlier for that matter. There is no reason to wait the full 21 days.
Yes, I realize that sometimes you may need additional time in order to properly identify all the tenant damage and obtain estimates for those repairs. Sometimes that will be the case. But oftentimes there will be no reason to use the entire 21 days to return the deposit or send the letter, but yet this is what many landlords do. This leads to my second suggestion.
ATCP 134 only requires that you account for how the security deposit was applied. It does not say that you must provide the tenant with a complete written list of all damages or money owed – just enough to explain how the security deposit was used.
Here is an example:
Tenant, Joe Smith, vacates the property on the last day of the month of January. While the tenant provided proper notice to terminate his tenancy he failed to pay January’s rent. Mr. Smith left the rental unit in a mess. There was damage, beyond normal wear and tear, to the carpeting, walls, and floors. There were window screens missing. Window blinds were trashed. The place was essentially left a mess and the cost to repair the damage will be very expensive.
Question: Under this scenario, when should the landlord send out the 21-day letter?
Answer: The landlord should send out the 21-day letter the day after the tenant vacated – Feb. 1st.
If rent is $500 and the tenant failed to pay the last month’s rent then you have all of the information that you need to notify the tenant why they are not getting their security deposit back. Remember you are only required to explain how the security deposit was applied. You are not required to notify the tenant within 21 days of all the damages that the tenant owes you because he trashed the place.
In the above example, the tenant failed to pay January’s rent in the amount of $500 which just so happens to be the same amount as the tenant’s security deposit. So even if there are lots of damages to the unit you can still send out the 21-day letter the day after the tenant surrenders the unit because you have enough information to account for the application of the security deposit. Your letter should simply state that the tenant failed to pay the last month’s rent for which he was legally responsible and that you will be applying his security deposit of $500 toward the last months’ rent and no portion of his security deposit is being returned. You have now complied with the ATCP 134 regulations.
Now you can take your time, if needed, to obtain estimates for all the tenant-caused damage to the unit and send the tenant a separate letter on a later date notifying him of the additional money he owes you.
By remembering this simple rule it has been my experience that many 21-day letters can be mailed out well before the 21 day period closes.
3. If you are able, make only “slam dunk deductions” from a tenant’s security deposit.
“Slam dunk deductions” are deductions that the tenant would have a difficult time arguing about. If you have enough “slam dunk deductions” to cover the entire security deposit then the tenant is less likely to sue you for allegedly making an improper deduction from his/her security deposit. Examples of “slam dunk deductions” would be items such as rent and/or utilities. As long as you have a written rental agreement with the rent amount listed and it indicates what utilities the tenant is responsible for paying, these two types of deductions tend to be the safest to make. This is not always the case (especially if there are arguments about if proper notice to vacate was given by the tenant) but for the most part rent and utilities are safe items to deduct.
In my 15 years of representing landlords, I have found that most tenants will be truthful and admit if they did not pay rent and if they failed to pay their utilities. However, tenants are rarely willing to concede that they left the place a mess or that they caused damage. I am not sure why this is – someone should conduct a study of this! As such, deductions for repairs or cleaning charges are NOT “slam dunk deductions.” Rather they are deductions that often are disputed by tenants – so try to avoid them if possible. Keep things simple and you will lesson you exposure to a lawsuit.
Let’s take the example mentioned above and change the facts. Assume that the tenant, Joe Smith, did pay the last month’s rent and did not owe any utilities, and therefore the only possible legal security deposit deductions that you could make are the non-slam dunk items related to the property damage. Under this scenario, my “slam dunk deductions” theory is not helpful, so you must proceed to my next suggestion.
4. Itemize all deductions separately and clearly, and enclosing all invoices for the cost of repairs (or estimates if the work has not been completed), photographs, copy of the Check-In/Check Out Sheet, and always error on the side of caution.
If the only legal deductions that can be made from a tenant’s security deposit are for damages to the unit then you very well may need most of the 21 days to obtain your estimates and or make the repairs. If you are unable to have the repairs completed or even obtain estimates within 21 days you still are required to send out the 21 day letter. In that situation I caution you to error on the side of under-estimating the cost of the repairs.
You 21 day letter should be clear and detailed. The purpose of the letter is to explain to the tenant what happened to their deposit. If you are clear in your explanations as to how that deposit was applied there is less of a chance that your tenant will sue you. If the tenant cannot understand the deductions that you made because you did not clearly explain them in the letter or your handwriting is illegible then s/he may think that you are treating them unfairly and that will increase the chances that they will sue you.
Take photos of the damage left behind by the tenant. Hopefully you also have photos that were taken prior to the tenant moving in which will show that the damages caused by the tenant were not preexisting. A Check-In/Check-Out form which you and your tenant completed at the outset of the tenancy, noting any pre-existing damages prior to them moving in, will also be helpful.
If you take the above precautions there will be a better chance than not that a tenant will not sue you for making improper security deposit deductions because s/he will be able to understand the deductions that you made and s/he will also know that you have evidence to support your deductions. Even if the tenant does decide to sue you, you will now be better prepared to defend yourself in court if that is where you end up.
Keep in mind, that if you are unsure whether you can adequately prove that your tenant caused the damage then it is safer to not make the deduction from their security deposit. You will need to engage in some cost-benefit analysis as well as analyze your willingness to take risk. Ask yourself if the $100 deduction that you want to make (and which you cannot adequately support) is worth the chance of having to pay the tenant double damages ($200) plus the hundreds or thousands in attorney’s fees if a court commissioner or judge disagrees with you.
ADDED ON APRIL 21, 2010 — The law does not require that all damages be prepared prior to you making a deduction from a tenant’s security deposit. Unfortunately many courts do not realize this. It should be noted that the Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection, the governmental entity that drafted ATCP 134 and the encompassing security deposit regulations, stated in its 1999 Summary of ATCP 134 Revisions, that “if repair costs are not known within 21 days, a written accounting must still be provided. In this case, a ‘good faith estimate’ may be made.”
5. Send the 21-day letter via certified mail.
I always recommend to my clients that they send the 21-day letter (whether it includes the return of security deposit money or not) via certified mail. Why? Because the certified mail receipt is proof of the date that you mailed it. You do not want to be stuck in a “he said – she said” argument with your tenant as to the date you mailed the letter when you are before a court commissioner or judge. The certified mail receipt gives you additional evidence besides “your word” as to when you mailed the letter. Yes, it does cost more to mail a letter certified. And yes, if you have to mail out many 21-day letters this cost can add up. Once again, you will need to evaluate whether or not foregoing the certified mail option is worth the possibility of having a court rule that you did not mail the security deposit transmittal letter timely.
6. If no forwarding address is provided then mail the 21-day letter to the tenant’s last known address.
Send the letter to the tenant’s new address if they provided you with one. But if they didn’t, which seems to be the norm, then ATCP 134. 06(5) says that you should mail it to their last known address. Yes, I do realize that the tenant’s last known address is the address of your rental unit which the tenant just vacated – but as silly as that may seem you should still do it.
ATCP 134 says that you must mail or deliver the security deposit transmittal letter to the tenant – it does not say that the tenant needs to receive the letter. Yet another reason why I suggest certified mail. If the letter is returned to you – do not open it. Keep it in your files for awhile to see if the tenant contacts you. If the tenant decides to sue you – having the unopened letter with a date from the U.S. Post Office on it showing when you mailed the letter – should be all the evidence you need to prevail in court.
7. If you have multiple tenants then the refund should be made payable to all of the tenants.
If more than one adult is on the rental agreement, assuming that you are returning their security deposit, you should make the refund payable to all of the adult tenants.
Your check could read:
Made Payable To: Tenant A, Tenant B and Tenant C
It is not your role as a landlord to decide who contributed what portion of the security deposit. The tenants entered into one rental agreement with you (not three individual agreements) for the entire rental unit and they paid one security deposit as a group. You should return the security deposit to all of them and let them determine how to split it up. The only exception to this rule is if the tenants provide you with notice, in writing, signed by all of them, advising you who the return of the security deposit should be made payable to.
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The above suggestions cover the most common mistakes that I have witnessed regarding security deposit deductions over the years. While I cannot promise you that if you follow my suggestions that you will never be sued by a tenant for making an improper security deposit deduction, I can tell you that you will significantly reduce your exposure to such a lawsuit.






#1 by John (Dr Rent) Fischer on March 5th, 2010
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Great Post!!!
One question on getting a preliminary statement within the 21 days and a follow up statement once you have the rest of the information needed.
I remember a court case where the court determined that any charges a landlord would going to charge a tenant had to be within those 21 days and charges the landlord determined after the 21 days were up the landlord could not pursue.
I wish I could remember the cite.
I know that is not the law… you know that is not the law… but we both know that decisions that court commissioners and judges make don’t always follow the letter (or even at times the intent) of the law.
#2 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on March 5th, 2010
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Thanks John.
If you ever come across that case let me know as I have never heard that — it certainly isn’t a published case. Was this just a ruling at the trial court level?
Yes, it certainly isn’t the law but I can appreciate the concern.
#3 by John (Dr Rent) Fischer on March 8th, 2010
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It cost me a lunch, but a good friend of mine who is an attorney here in town (Wausau) had some time and found it for me this weekend.
Parkview of Caledonia, LLC v. Weisto
268 Wis.2d 295, 671 N.W.2d 865
It is not a published case, but in it, the court decided that any charges the landlord established before the 21 day deadline were allowed, but additional charges after the 21 days were not.
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#4 by Thomas Finger on February 9th, 2011
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Would the Email which has a dating system built in be just as good as a certified “snail” mail? Especially if most prior contact with tenant is through emails??
#5 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on February 10th, 2011
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Thomas — Great question.
ATCP 134.06 (2) of the Wisconsin Administrative Code, which is the regulation that requires landlords return a security deposit or advise the ex-tenant in writing of how that security deposit was applied within 21 days of their surrender of the rental unit states as follows:
(2) Returning Security Deposits. (a) Within 21 days after a tenant surrenders the rental premises, the landlord shall deliver or mail to the tenant the full amount of the security deposit held by the landlord, less any amounts properly withheld by the landlord under sub. (3).
Further down in this same section it states:
(4) Security Deposit Withholding; statement of claims. (a) If any portion of a security deposit is withheld by a landlord, the landlord shall, within the time period and in the manner specified under sub. (2) deliver or mail to the teant a written statement accounting for all amounts withheld . . .
The term “deliver or mail” is not specifically defined. Obviously if you are returning a portion of the security deposit, you cannot do that via email becasue you need to enclose a check. But even if you are not returning any portion of the security deposit, I do not think I would take the chance of having a court determine that emailing is not considered to be “deliver or mail.”
Remember, if you did so and the tenant sued you and a court determined that email was not allowed under the regulation you would be subject to double damages and having to pay the teant;s attorney’s fees.
Not worth taking the chance in my opinion.
#6 by Thomas Finger on February 10th, 2011
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Thanks I really appreciate your thoughts and value this blog you operate—Wish I had discovered it before my first attempt to rent–(they trashed our home)—and I have been using your blog as a bible for issues dealing with tenants—Are there any good ones out there? I am 2for2 in the losing end of the two years I have been renting out my home…
#7 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on February 11th, 2011
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Thomas — Thank you for your kind words and I am happy to hear that you find this blog helpful and informative.
Yes, there are many good tenants out there. I’m sorry that you have not found them yet : )
Without knowing more details I would just remind you that screening potential tenants is the #1 most important thing to do to insure you rent to a good tenant. Another suggestion, is to make sure that you are treating landlording as a business – because it is! You need to be firm and enforce the terms of your rental agreement. You should not let a tenant with a sad story sway you from enforcing your agreement. Tenants spot a “soft touch” a mile away and will exploit that. As I said, I don’t know if that would apply to you — but it does apply to many landlords out there.
I am not sure if you are in the Milwaukee area or not but I am giving an all-day seminar on Saturday Feb. 26th called Landlord Boot Camp. I will be spending a lot of time on issues pertaining to screening and all of the topics will educate landlords on how to treat their rental property as a business. It may be something that you want to consider attending and hopefully the info can help you turn your landlord experience around.
Good luck.
T
#8 by Thomas Finger on February 15th, 2011
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My second tenant has just moved out and was keeping turtles and lizards in a huge aquarium in an unfinished bsmt (breach of lease that says no pets) She had kept bsmt door open while running main floor furnace to heat up the bsmt—now there is a huge odor problem in bsmt as well as mold growing in many places–How do you charge for trying to remove “smell”?——–Thanks
#9 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on February 15th, 2011
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Thomas — You would need to hire a contractor of some sort and get an estimate as to the cost to remove the odor. Possibly the “pets” were allowed to roam outside of their case and there is some cleaning services that will be needed. Based on the info you have provided in your comment — the damage would be the smell and/or the mold. So the cause of the smell needs to be determined and then rectified. You will need to learn about mold to determine if you need a mold remediator or if it is something that can be handled yourself.
If you are unsure if it is a proper deduction you should consider returning deposit and just suing the ex-tenants for the damages.
#10 by David Kupser on March 18th, 2011
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To what address would I mail a deposit-letter if I had multiple tenants, all moving, and only one forwarding address of just one of the tenants.
#11 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on March 18th, 2011
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David — Great question.
ATCP 134 says that if returning a security deposit to tenants the check should be made payable to each of the tenants listed on the lease unless all tenants designated in writing a payee to accept the return of the security deposit. Landlords should return the security deposit via certified mail to any forwarding address that they were given by the tenant. A copy of the transmittal letter (with just a copy of the check) should be sent to any other tenants at their last known address (most likely your rental). The tenants will then need to contact one another to properly endorse the check for cashing.
If a landlord is retaining the security deposit to cover past rent or damages etc. then the landlord should send the 21 day letter to the forwarding address for any tenant that provided it and to the last known address (typically your rental unit) to any other tenants on the lease that did not provide a forwarding address.
To be safe, and so one has proof of complying with ATCP 134, a landlord should send these letters via certified mail.
It may seem like a lot of letters and mailing and possibly overkill — but when it comes to security deposit issues I always reccomend caution. So while sending the letter to one tenant may be enough to comply with the law — I would encourage landlords to play it safe and send copies to each tenant.
#12 by Yola on June 7th, 2011
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Hi, I had a quick question. My landlord sent me an email with listing of deductions from my security deposit. He made deductions for electricity (of which he mailed a hardcopy of the bill), heat/oil (of which he sent no bill detailing these charges) and he charged me for a mattress of which I purchased from a former tenant of his. I had no arrangement with this man yet he took money of my deposit for the mattress saying that I did not fulfill my obligation to the tenant. Mind you, this girl is not his relative, she has moved out of state and I never went in on any agreement to with him.the matter was solely between myself and the girl.
I wrote him noting that he wrongfully with held my deposit. I sent him the letter via registered mail as well as I sent an attachment via email of the said letter. He has until June 10 to refund me the money. However, he has made no contact with me and I am wary that he will not refund me my money. What do I do?
#13 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on June 9th, 2011
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Yola — I cannot give legal advice via this blog. If you think the landlrod has violated Wisconsin L-T laws with regarding to security deposit deductions then you should consider consulting an attorney.
#14 by Ronald Hendree on June 30th, 2011
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Just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate your blog. My wife and I were arguing the merits of prompt preparation of the 21 day letter. She, of course being pissed at the former tenant, wanted to wait until the last minute because she had to return a portion of the deposit. I thought that was silly and dangerous. A friend had told me of your blog and so I referred her there. Low and behold, she prepared and mailed the notice IMMEDIATELY! Thanks.
#15 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on July 1st, 2011
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Ronald — thank you and I’m glad my blog was helpful. You are correct — get those 21 day letters out early!! Good advice
T
#16 by Lainee Manuel on November 10th, 2011
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Hi Ronald…I would like some conformation on wether is screw up when I sent out a 21 day letter to ex-tenant. It was sent out in plenty of time and since I didn’t know at the time what the repairs would cost, I stated the issues to be addressed, that I was checking on ways to correct the issues and that if there was any deposit moneys left after repairs (some yet to be completed) it would send it out. She just sent me her own certified letter saying that I didn’t send an itemize list within the 21 days and that she will seek double her deposit if I don’t send her deposits immediately.
Was my letter enough?
Lainee
#17 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on November 13th, 2011
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Not sure who Ronald is LAinee. My name is Tristan. You are allowed to make a good faith estimate regarding any security deposit deductions if you are unable to get the work completed and obtain an actual bill. From your comment it does not sound as if you made an estimate but rather just indicated the work that needed to be done.
I would reccomend that you retain a lawyer to review your security deposit itemization letter and advise you how to proceed.
T
#18 by sjc on January 8th, 2012
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I had some tenants move out after fulfilling a year lease, left things undone & some damage. Carpet was filthy and smelly (they had dog-pet security dep $300.)Tenants patched nail holes, but did not paint so there are white patches in every room. Tenants tell me this is expected maintenance for the landlord and they do not have to do it. Inside apt all walls were painted four months prior to them moving in. Tenants say not in lease to have carpet professionally cleaned but there was an attachment to lease that had move-out guidelines which included professional cleaning of rugs. This page was not initialed by them on my copy;unsure on their copy as I was out of town and had a friend do it on my behalf.
They are threatening to sue. I have pictures of neglect, damges, etc, everything I deducted from sec dep..
Doesn’t tenant have to leave it in move-in condition as when they moved in?
#19 by sjc on January 8th, 2012
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ok as is.
#20 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on January 10th, 2012
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SJC — A tenant ideally should leave a rental property in the same condition in which they received it absent “normal wear and tear.” That term – “normal wear and tear” is not defined in any Wisconsin statute, regulation or caselaw. Thus, it emeans whatever the court commissioner or judges deems it to mean on the day that they hear the evidence. Each judge or court commissioner has a different view/definition of normal wear and tear — heck, I’ve even seen a court’s definition of the term change from day to day depending on the specific facts. So there is no easy “balck and white” answer . . . it depends on a number of things. What a landlord needs to keep in mind however is if the deduct amounts from a tenant’s security deposit for what is later deemed to be normal wear and tear by the court, then the landlord may be ordered to return that amount (times tow) and pay the tenant’s attorney’s fees.
#21 by Jesse on February 22nd, 2012
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I have a tenant that is month-to-month and gave notice on 2/17 that they’re moving out on 3/1. I’m using the WI Legal Blank lease form that requires 30 days notice. Is the tenant responsible for the entire month of March’s rent, or are they only responsible for rent up to the 17th of March? Of course, I will make reasonable efforts to re-rent the apartment, but in the event it isn’t rented right away, can I keep all/part of their deposit as March’s rent?
#22 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on February 23rd, 2012
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Jesse — Please understand I cannot give legal advice via this blog.
Month to month tenancies must be terminated at the end of a renta paying period. So assuming rent is due on the 1st of the month then a month to month tenancy can only be terminated at the end of the month.
So a tenant that gives notice on the March 17th for instance would be repsonsible for rent (subject to your duty to mitigate tenant’s damages by trying to re-rent) through the end of April.
So the tenant would remain “on the hook” for rent beyond the 30 day period if notice is given on the 17th of the month because the 30 days does not conincide with the end of a rent paying period.
T
#23 by diana gonzalez on June 13th, 2012
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my enant left and didnt give me new adress left i1 key for unit keooed beeper to entrance complex also mail keys i send her a certerfied letter to my adress last know by me i send her a list off damages some she knew other i discover the washer combo its very damage it took 18 dayscause needed a lot off parts left broken ceillig fans crayons on paint damage refrigiratori explaint everything on certerfied letter damages were more than the 1000.00 deposit also cause washer i couldnt show or rent appt.17 days later off certerfied letter wcish it was return to me she call me to give me her new adress i know she didnt pick up the letter cause the bregular mail letter i send her never came back to me i understand that she has 15 calender days to objet but she play it off by giving me her new adress i wish i dont needto talk to her again cause shes very mouhty and snattyshe even came to my house a couple off times to unsult me and make seen in front off nmy neibers whish its the next step i need to do i dont care abbout rhe money i had lost no being able to rent appt.i just going to keep her deposit damages were like 1020.00 but i not intrested in any more cant i kepp her1000.00 deposit for the repairs done to the appt. thank you for your response and God bless you and your love ones please answer me soon God bless Diana
#24 by diana gonzalez on June 13th, 2012
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cant i keep my 1000.00security deposit for damages and repairs beyound nomal wear and tear broken washer 520.00 crayons on pait dirty walls garbage left behind not working ceillig fans broken refrigirator loss off rent cause combo washer was so destroy i nhad to wait like18 days to be completed repair i had fix it like 4 months before she also kept mail; keys beeper to entrance complex shs didnt wanted to give me new adress when i avise her i neededso i had to send her a certerfied and regular letter to my appt. last adress know by me i recive certerfied letter back but not the regular one 18 days later she calls me like nothing happen to give me her new adress im under the impretoin that iff she didnt send a refusal letter or contact me i dont need to takl to heragain just use the deosit for damages and repairs whish were higher than her deosit thank you for responding to me soon thank you and God bless you and your love one
#25 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on June 19th, 2012
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Diana — I cant give legal advice via this blog. You are asking me whether or not you can keep your ex-tenant’s security deposit for damages to the unit. I cannot advise you of that without knowing all the details. Some of the issues come up with that decision-making process involve: do you have proof that the damage was not pre-existing, do you have proof that the damage occurred during the tenant’s occupancy, if appliances are involved – how old were they as some courts require you to pro-rate, was some of what you refer to as “damage” actually normal wear and tear . . . .
Remember that an improper deduction from a security deposit can open you up to double damages and atty. fees, so you need to take the time and effort to analyze this properly.
I would reccomend that you retain a lawyer who can assist you in deciding what items can be deducted vs. what items may put you at risk.
Good luck
#26 by Peter B. on September 22nd, 2012
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Good Afternoon Tristan,
I have a few questions concerning the proper procedure for returning and deducting from tenant security deposits when a person sells a rental property. Common practice is for the security deposits to be transferred to the buyer at closing. I am concerned, however, that simply transferring the security deposits to the buyer might leave the seller exposed to a claim by the tenant if the new owner does not account for and dispose of the security deposits properly.
1. At closing, should security deposits be transferred to the buyer or returned to the tenants?
2. If the security deposit is transferred at closing, will the prior owner be held liable for the successive owner’s failure to return the tenant’s security deposit?
3. If an owner suffered damages for which a tenant is liable, and the damages occurred before selling the property, and the tenant refuses to pay for the damages, can the owner make deductions from the security before transferring the balance to the buyer?
4. If a seller lied about having security deposits and did not transfer them to the buyer at closing, who would be responsible for getting the deposits back from the seller? Would the tenants have to sue him, or would the new owner be responsible for chasing the seller down and taking him to court?
Any insight or ideas you have on this subject will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
#27 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on September 25th, 2012
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Hi Peter — Great questions. Please understand that I cannot give legal advice via this blog but I am happy to shed some insight on this topic. It actually could be a good topic for a blog post sometime.
As far as whether or not a s.d. is transferred at the sale of a rental property that is up to the buyer and seller and should be something that they negotiate. Oftentimes buyers dont think of that and the seller keeps the security deposit and then the buyer is stuck returning a security deposit that s/he never collected to the tenant when they leave. the fact that the buyer forgot to think about transferring a s.d. as part of the sale is not the tenant’s fault. So the buyer is still required to account for the security deposit and abide by the 21 day rules/law regarding security deposits.
I have never read a case or heard of a seller being held responsible for a buying landlord’s failure to return a security deposit to a tenant. A rental agreement travels with the property not the owner. The tenant paid a security deposit. If the buyer failed to make the transfer of the security deposit part of the deal then that is the buyer’s mistake. Just like a buyer should make sure the seller gives the buyer copies of any leases, prior 5 day notices etc the same is true with the security deposit.
If a tenant causes damage to a unit, in my opinion, the proper way to handle it is for the landlord to repair the damage and send the tenant in invoice for the cost of repairs with a demand that it be paid within x days. Ideally, the rental agreement specifically states that the tenant must pay any invoice for damages caused by tenant within x days of receipt by landlord. If it is not paid within that time period then a 5 day notice should be sent and if not paid within the 5 days then an eviction could be filed. I never reccommend that a landlord take money for damages to a unit, while the tenant is still living in the unit, from the security deposit. If you do that, you may not have any s.d. left when the tenant finally vacates and you learn of additional damages.
If there was a s.d paid by the tenant then the owner of the property at the time that the tenants vacate need to deal with the s.d. issue regardless of whether the s.d. was transferred, was not transferred, or was lied about. A buyer should in quire about this from the seller, talk to the tenant if possible, and if seller represents that tenant paid no security deposit – I would reccommend getting that in writing from the seller.
#28 by Snow on November 18th, 2012
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Can I collect “cleaning deposit” of $150.00 separately from the security deposit and indicated in the lease additional provisions that tenants had paid “cleaning deposit” for cleaning unit if it is left unclean? Tenants often leave unit not clean and state it is normal wear and tear so with cleaning deposit spelled out separately they are aware they have to leave it clean.I found that new tenants always come in and request unit, shelves,
everything professionally cleaned. What is your opinion please and thank you!
#29 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on December 3rd, 2012
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Snow – Please understand that I cannot give legal advice via this blog. I think that legally you might have some problem with this set-up. One, you cannot deduct cleaning charges from a security deposit unless you have them set forth in a Nonstandard Rental Provisions document — that is state law. So even if you took such a deposit if you didn’t have the NSRP you would have trouble.
Also regardless of what you call it — cleaning deposit or not — it will be considered a security deposit under the definition in ATCP 134 that anything beyond one month’s rent is considered a security deposit. So I dont think that your setup will get you around the problem that you hope it will.
T
#30 by greg c on February 23rd, 2013
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Tristin , can you help me find the statue that states that a “tenant cannot use sec dep for last month’s rent”
thank you
greg
#31 by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. on February 26th, 2013
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Greg — There is no statute or regulation that says that. Most landlords write it inot their rental agreement however.