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		<title>Comment on Subscribe by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are differing views on this.  If you read the definition of &quot;security deposit&quot; in ATCP 134 - it would appear that a pet deposit (or even a restoration agreement deposit) would be considered to be a security deposit - if those deposits are greater than 1 months rent.  I disagree with that interpretation as it would render things like restoration agreements meaningless.

So in my opinion, a pet deposit is not a securtiy deposit and is if improperly withheld is not subject to double damages and atty. fees claims.  But I am sure that there are tenant advocates who would wholeheartedly disagree with me.

I have not had to litigate this issue so I do not know how a court would handle such a situation.  I do not believe there is any Wisconsin caselaw on the issue either.

Good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are differing views on this.  If you read the definition of &#8220;security deposit&#8221; in ATCP 134 &#8211; it would appear that a pet deposit (or even a restoration agreement deposit) would be considered to be a security deposit &#8211; if those deposits are greater than 1 months rent.  I disagree with that interpretation as it would render things like restoration agreements meaningless.</p>
<p>So in my opinion, a pet deposit is not a securtiy deposit and is if improperly withheld is not subject to double damages and atty. fees claims.  But I am sure that there are tenant advocates who would wholeheartedly disagree with me.</p>
<p>I have not had to litigate this issue so I do not know how a court would handle such a situation.  I do not believe there is any Wisconsin caselaw on the issue either.</p>
<p>Good question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Must A Landlord Actually Repair Tenant-Caused Damage Before The Landlord Can Deduct The Cost From A Tenant&#8217;s Security Deposit? by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://petriestocking.com/blog/2011/05/05/must-a-landlord-actually-repair-tenant-caused-damage-before-the-landlord-can-deduct-the-cost-from-a-tenants-security-deposit/comment-page-1/#comment-2198</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo - I cant give legal advise via this blog and your example is very fact-specific and if you came to me as a client with this question I would ask many follow up questions.

The short answer to your questions as to whether or not deducting $X from a tenant&#039;s security deposit due to damage and then not repairing the damage is fraud -- is &quot;no&quot;, not in my opinion.  If a tenant causes damages -- it is damage whether or not it is repaired.  If the landlordd were to sell the property and not repair the damage, s/he would get a lower offer due to the damage that was caused.  So the landlord still realizes the damage even if s/he doesnt make the repairs.

There is not caselaw on this specific issue other than what I reference in the blog post.  A tenant advocate can certainly argue otherwise.  So I am not saying that my view is correct -- it is just my view but one that I believe is legally sound and would be comfortable making in court.

For example, let&#039;s say I install new carpeting for a tenant.  The tenant stays for 6 months and during that time causes several stains on the carpet.  I hire a carpet cleaner to remove the stains but they will not come out.  I may elect not to replace the carpet in that situation as the carpet is relatively new and in otherwise good condition save for the stains.  Even though I have not replaced the carpet, I still have been damaged as I have 6 month old carpet with permanant stains in it. 

As a result, the next tenant may not pay the same rent because of the stains or if I am selling the property the new buyer may elect to tear out the carpet as a result of the stains and thus their offer would be less as the carpet with stains is of no value to them.  

But it wouldnt make since to tear up otherwise perfectly good carpet in that scenario especially if the stains could be covered by an area rug  -- but nontheless I have still been damaged as a result of the stains on the carpet due to the tenant&#039;s carelessness.  If I keep a portion of the tenant&#039;s security deposit for that damage, no fraud has been committed.  In that situation many landlords will charge the tenant for the cost of the cleaning and an amount that will compensate them for the damage and not end up replacing the carpet.  I think that a tenant would prefer this alternative rather than to be responsible for paying for the enter replacement of the carpet due to the stains.  But a landlord should still be compensated for the loss in value due to the stains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo &#8211; I cant give legal advise via this blog and your example is very fact-specific and if you came to me as a client with this question I would ask many follow up questions.</p>
<p>The short answer to your questions as to whether or not deducting $X from a tenant&#8217;s security deposit due to damage and then not repairing the damage is fraud &#8212; is &#8220;no&#8221;, not in my opinion.  If a tenant causes damages &#8212; it is damage whether or not it is repaired.  If the landlordd were to sell the property and not repair the damage, s/he would get a lower offer due to the damage that was caused.  So the landlord still realizes the damage even if s/he doesnt make the repairs.</p>
<p>There is not caselaw on this specific issue other than what I reference in the blog post.  A tenant advocate can certainly argue otherwise.  So I am not saying that my view is correct &#8212; it is just my view but one that I believe is legally sound and would be comfortable making in court.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say I install new carpeting for a tenant.  The tenant stays for 6 months and during that time causes several stains on the carpet.  I hire a carpet cleaner to remove the stains but they will not come out.  I may elect not to replace the carpet in that situation as the carpet is relatively new and in otherwise good condition save for the stains.  Even though I have not replaced the carpet, I still have been damaged as I have 6 month old carpet with permanant stains in it. </p>
<p>As a result, the next tenant may not pay the same rent because of the stains or if I am selling the property the new buyer may elect to tear out the carpet as a result of the stains and thus their offer would be less as the carpet with stains is of no value to them.  </p>
<p>But it wouldnt make since to tear up otherwise perfectly good carpet in that scenario especially if the stains could be covered by an area rug  &#8212; but nontheless I have still been damaged as a result of the stains on the carpet due to the tenant&#8217;s carelessness.  If I keep a portion of the tenant&#8217;s security deposit for that damage, no fraud has been committed.  In that situation many landlords will charge the tenant for the cost of the cleaning and an amount that will compensate them for the damage and not end up replacing the carpet.  I think that a tenant would prefer this alternative rather than to be responsible for paying for the enter replacement of the carpet due to the stains.  But a landlord should still be compensated for the loss in value due to the stains.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Can A Landlord To Do With A Tenant&#8217;s Abandoned Personal Property Under Wisconsin&#8217;s New Law? by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://petriestocking.com/blog/2012/05/10/what-can-a-landlord-to-do-with-a-tenants-abandoned-personal-property-under-wisconsins-new-law/comment-page-1/#comment-2197</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry -- As I think I touched on in my blog post the &quot;abandoned property&quot; language only applies when a tenant has moved out and left property.  If you are involving the Sheriff then the tenant has not vacated the property but rather they are still residing there (or at least that is somethign that you are concerned about and being safe) and that is the reason that you filed an eviction action against them and are sekking the Sheriff to execute the writ.  two completely separate issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8212; As I think I touched on in my blog post the &#8220;abandoned property&#8221; language only applies when a tenant has moved out and left property.  If you are involving the Sheriff then the tenant has not vacated the property but rather they are still residing there (or at least that is somethign that you are concerned about and being safe) and that is the reason that you filed an eviction action against them and are sekking the Sheriff to execute the writ.  two completely separate issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Landlord Has Every Right To Enter His Rental Property . . . In Certain Situations. by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://petriestocking.com/blog/2011/06/16/a-landlord-has-every-right-to-enter-his-rental-property-in-certain-situations/comment-page-1/#comment-2196</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryn - Not sre what to tell you other than to sit down with your landlord and insure that he is giving you the required notice period to enter your unit per Madison ordiannce and state law.  Landlord has a right to ask you to clean up before a showing - but as you mentioned, you would have had you known he was showing it.  My advice is to try and have a constructive conversation with your landlord about this issue and any others that you feel are relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryn &#8211; Not sre what to tell you other than to sit down with your landlord and insure that he is giving you the required notice period to enter your unit per Madison ordiannce and state law.  Landlord has a right to ask you to clean up before a showing &#8211; but as you mentioned, you would have had you known he was showing it.  My advice is to try and have a constructive conversation with your landlord about this issue and any others that you feel are relevant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HUD Issues New Rule On &#8220;Discriminatory Effect&#8221; a.k.a Disparate Impact by Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://petriestocking.com/blog/2012/02/20/hud-issues-new-rule-on-discriminatory-effect-a-k-a-disparate-impact/comment-page-1/#comment-2195</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan R. Pettit, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 19:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay -- Thanks for the kind words Jay.  Hopefully you can find yourself an attorney that specializes in L-T law i nyour home state.  It is a must.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay &#8212; Thanks for the kind words Jay.  Hopefully you can find yourself an attorney that specializes in L-T law i nyour home state.  It is a must.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Subscribe by jerry</title>
		<link>http://petriestocking.com/blog/subscribe/comment-page-1/#comment-2194</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a techincality ??---If you get a pet deposit and keep it for pet damages,and dont invade the &quot;security deposit&quot;,  is that deposit still subject to double damages charges by tenant under AG code---- if found that charges were excessive or unwarranted against the pet deposit??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a techincality ??&#8212;If you get a pet deposit and keep it for pet damages,and dont invade the &#8220;security deposit&#8221;,  is that deposit still subject to double damages charges by tenant under AG code&#8212;- if found that charges were excessive or unwarranted against the pet deposit??</p>
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		<title>Comment on Must A Landlord Actually Repair Tenant-Caused Damage Before The Landlord Can Deduct The Cost From A Tenant&#8217;s Security Deposit? by Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. Can a landlord provide a statement stating work was done (stating man hours and supplies used) and deduct even if the work was not completed? I can understand deducting for work that can not be completed within 21 days but deducting an estimated cost and clearly stating estimated. Wouldn&#039;t a charge for work completed that never was actually done be considered fraud? Example, tenant patched holes from nails so minor touch up painting was needed. Used 3 gallons of paint and it took 4 hours. If that work was not completed and the wording states it was, how is that legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. Can a landlord provide a statement stating work was done (stating man hours and supplies used) and deduct even if the work was not completed? I can understand deducting for work that can not be completed within 21 days but deducting an estimated cost and clearly stating estimated. Wouldn&#8217;t a charge for work completed that never was actually done be considered fraud? Example, tenant patched holes from nails so minor touch up painting was needed. Used 3 gallons of paint and it took 4 hours. If that work was not completed and the wording states it was, how is that legal?</p>
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