Comments on: Landlords Will Be Required To Install Carbon Monoxide Detectors In Single Family and Duplex Rentals http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/ Tristan's Landlord - Tenant Law Blog Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:59:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: How To Choose a Great Monoxide Alarm | Atlanta Natural Gas http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/comment-page-1/#comment-1448 How To Choose a Great Monoxide Alarm | Atlanta Natural Gas Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:04:34 +0000 http://petriestocking.com/blog/?p=1260#comment-1448 [...] gas detectors, gas alarm and carbon monoxide detectorThe Right Carbon Monoxide Detector PlacementLandlords Will Be Required To Install Carbon Monoxide Detectors In Single Family and Duplex Rentals window.google_analytics_uacct = "pub-0417058043089430 "; var analyticsFileTypes = ['']; var [...] [...] gas detectors, gas alarm and carbon monoxide detectorThe Right Carbon Monoxide Detector PlacementLandlords Will Be Required To Install Carbon Monoxide Detectors In Single Family and Duplex Rentals window.google_analytics_uacct = "pub-0417058043089430 "; var analyticsFileTypes = ['']; var [...]

]]> By: mike collins http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/comment-page-1/#comment-1011 mike collins Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:43:13 +0000 http://petriestocking.com/blog/?p=1260#comment-1011 take a pill to feel comfortable? carbon monoxide producing appliances if properly installed and used for it's intended purpose w/ regular maintenance and checks - co levels will be at an acceptable level 9 ppm or less along with proper air changes per day in the building. thats what regular checks are for- do you really want to depend on this alarm to function properly when needed/ since this does nothing for your pocket book when co is up you are not getting the full capacity of your nat gas or oil you purchased! money wasted out the vent! hten when this alarm comes into play your appliances are in real need of rejuvenation- $$$ comon sence is needed the manufacurers have a recommended maint program as apart of their how to operate operation manual and are readilly available. you still need to maintain appliances with or witout a co alarm you think?? take a pill to feel comfortable?
carbon monoxide producing appliances if properly installed and used for it’s intended purpose w/ regular maintenance and checks – co levels will be at an acceptable level 9 ppm or less along with proper air changes per day in the building. thats what regular checks are for- do you really want to depend on this alarm to function properly when needed/ since this does nothing for your pocket book when co is up you are not getting the full capacity of your nat gas or oil you purchased! money wasted out the vent! hten when this alarm comes into play your appliances are in real need of rejuvenation- $$$ comon sence is needed the manufacurers have a recommended maint program as apart of their how to operate operation manual and are readilly available.
you still need to maintain appliances with or witout a co alarm you think??

]]> By: BT http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/comment-page-1/#comment-474 BT Tue, 18 May 2010 16:23:45 +0000 http://petriestocking.com/blog/?p=1260#comment-474 Brian or Tristan, have you found battery-powered models that do comply (as compared to the FirstAlert models that did not)? Brian or Tristan, have you found battery-powered models that do comply (as compared to the FirstAlert models that did not)?

]]> By: Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Tristan R. Pettit, Esq. Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:49:37 +0000 http://petriestocking.com/blog/?p=1260#comment-390 Brian K -- Thanks for your comments. All very good points and true. Brian K — Thanks for your comments. All very good points and true.

]]> By: Brian K http://petriestocking.com/blog/2010/02/23/landlords-will-be-required-to-install-carbon-monoxide-detectors-in-single-family-and-duplex-rentals/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Brian K Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:33:49 +0000 http://petriestocking.com/blog/?p=1260#comment-387 Everyone should know that most, if not all, carbon monoxide alarms do NOT comply with the strict provisions of the current law mandating placement of CO detectors in multi-unit buildings. The current law states 2 things among others: 1. 101.149(2)(a)4. (A CO detector must be located) " In each room that has a fuel-burning appliance and that is not used as a sleeping area. A carbon monoxide detector shall be installed under this subdivision not more than 75 feet from the fuel-burning appliance." This would usually mean the kitchen. 2. All CO alarms must be installed in accordance with the recommendations of the maunfacturer. 101.149(2)(e) (e) The owner shall install every carbon monoxide detector required by this subsection according to the directions and specifications of the manufacturer of the carbon monoxide detector. Here is an excerpt from the manual of the Kidde COP-B and COPP-B: "Keep the CO alarm away from excessively dusty, dirty, or greasy areas such as kitchens, garages and furnace rooms. Dust, grease and household chemicals can affect the sensor." These instructions are rather vague, and depending on the judge, may allow the placement of these units in the same room as a fuel burning appiance. Then again, they may not. The instructions for most CO alarms specifically state that the alarm is NOT to be placed in a kitchen. The kitchen is usually the room where the fuel burning appliance is located. I purchased 10 alarms manufactured by First Alert, only to find that the instructions stated that these alarms cannot be placed anywhere within 20 feet of a fuel burning appliance. Since a gas oven/range is a fuel burning appliance, these limitations make this model almost completely useless under the law, even if your specific circumstances compell the use of multiple detectors within a unit. Furthermore, neither the statutes or the admin. code promulgated under the statutes define key terms and concepts such as "room" and how to measure distance. Good luck complying with this law. As a result of this law,look for savvy trial lawyers and insurance companies to place the blame for any CO related damages squarely on landlords whom they will be easily able to argue were negligent since they did not comply with a law that is virtually impossible to comply with and seemingly deliberately vague. More classic fascist socialism from your friends in government. Everyone should know that most, if not all, carbon monoxide alarms do NOT comply with the strict provisions of the current law mandating placement of CO detectors in multi-unit buildings. The current law states 2 things among others:
1. 101.149(2)(a)4. (A CO detector must be located)
” In each room that has a fuel-burning appliance and that is not used as a sleeping area. A carbon monoxide detector shall be installed under this subdivision not more than 75 feet from the fuel-burning appliance.”

This would usually mean the kitchen.

2. All CO alarms must be installed in accordance with the recommendations of the maunfacturer.
101.149(2)(e)
(e) The owner shall install every carbon monoxide detector required by this subsection according to the directions and specifications of the manufacturer of the carbon monoxide detector.

Here is an excerpt from the manual of the Kidde COP-B and COPP-B:

“Keep the CO alarm away from excessively dusty, dirty,
or greasy areas such as kitchens, garages and furnace rooms. Dust, grease and household chemicals can affect the sensor.”

These instructions are rather vague, and depending on the judge, may allow the placement of these units in the same room as a fuel burning appiance. Then again, they may not.

The instructions for most CO alarms specifically state that the alarm is NOT to be placed in a kitchen. The kitchen is usually the room where the fuel burning appliance is located. I purchased 10 alarms manufactured by First Alert, only to find that the instructions stated that these alarms cannot be placed anywhere within 20 feet of a fuel burning appliance. Since a gas oven/range is a fuel burning appliance, these limitations make this model almost completely useless under the law, even if your specific circumstances compell the use of multiple detectors within a unit.

Furthermore, neither the statutes or the admin. code promulgated under the statutes define key terms and concepts such as “room” and how to measure distance.

Good luck complying with this law. As a result of this law,look for savvy trial lawyers and insurance companies to place the blame for any CO related damages squarely on landlords whom they will be easily able to argue were negligent since they did not comply with a law that is virtually impossible to comply with and seemingly deliberately vague. More classic fascist socialism from your friends in government.

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